Change to Premium Features
As most of you are aware, there has been a long discussion among the administration and players, both on and off the server, about the premium no-drop feature. We have received many complaints about this, from both premiums and non premiums, and we believe we have found a way to solve the problem as best as possible. The first thing to keep in mind before reading this post is that this change will take effect in a week from now (so monday the 16th of July).
The process
Before we came to the final planned change, we spent a lot of time theorizing, planning and gathering feedback from players about the potential changes. The process started many months ago with a new proposal, written to remove the no drop feature altogether. This however was too much, and needed to be changed. We issued several polls among premiums and non premiums, gathered statistics and then researched what these statistics meant. From all our feedback it seemed that many premiums want to keep the no drop feature in order to protect themselves against raids or falling into lava etc. We still however wanted to make it more fair for non premiums to have a reward for beating premiums, and also have premiums come over as less overpowered.
So eventually, we came up with a comprehensive change that would satisfy the most amount of people, and not break the game for a lot of them. The change is noted below.
The old features:
- Premiums drop no items on death.
- can engage in combat and not lose items.
- keep all items (backpack, armour slots, inventory).
The new features:
- When engaging in combat, premiums will always keep all items in armour slots and backpack.
- When engaging in PVP-combat, a player is “flagged” with combat for 30 seconds, which will start counting down when the player stops attacking another. At this time, your backpack (/bp) will not be accessible.
- If the player is killed while “flagged”, they will lose their inventory. After 30 seconds of not attacking, the player will be unflagged and will no longer drop items on death.
We feel this solves the problem for non premiums as it makes PVP against premiums rewarding, after all they can drop items if they fight back. We feel this also makes sure people who bought premium for defence will not lose items if they get raided non stop, after all, they can simply decide not to defend themselves and not lose items. We also feel this helps premiums who raid, after all, since players can actually do something against premiums now they might come out hiding and attack the premiums during a raid. Overall we feel this is a positive change for many target player groups, obviously it is possible that some people are not satisfied with the change but this is simply something we cannot avoid. We can never satisfy everyone with a change. Whatever opinion you have, keep in mind the premium features as mentioned in the disclaimed may always be subject to change given we feel they should. Also keep in mind we have spent many months formulating a good solution, spending many hours in theorizing and discussing with players on how to solve this tricky question.
The MassiveCraft Team
So will Premium members lose their stuff if they fall to a lava or something like that?
The death reason (lava, drowning, pvp) does not matter. What matters is if the player hurt another player within 30s.
Nice change. I disliked how they never dropped any items in the past. Now its more fair that premiums can drop items like non-premiums. With the change it is more fair and premiums arent always “overpowering”
This is a good change, its alot better than removing no-drop altogether.
Good job
will the backpack be lost in this 30 seconds?
I hope this “flagging” works well and there are no bugs…
And yes, i think it’s more fair. But i’m not sure if it’s another reason against a prem. membership.
The premium-backpack (/bp) content and the armor slots will never drop. This is mentioned in the post
sry… now it’s clear. i read the article again. With inventory is just the “inventory” without armor slots and backback meaned.
So armor will be held – used weapons and inventory not. I think thats a good solution.
this is better then it was before i like it
So whats up with the chests these days? Can’t use a chest without getting disconnected.
I’m assuming you use Spoutcraft. After testing I’ve noticed Flint in a chest will crash sometimes.
Heard someone had problem with the backpack in spout as well. Think spout has some bugs goin on :S
finally you get something killing premiums. I love this change
pff i can bet that u cant kill any premium
Id fight with you but its just a load of pixels in a blocky game. I just dont see the point of getting into an extended fight over me being happy about some changes. Good day to you.
Hey man, come on, a comment, getting you mad? I think he ment, if him and some others got 1 premium killed, they would get a reward instead of nothing
Lol, Born is good. I don’t think many non-premiums could beet him. XP
The only viable PVP now is unarmed.
Hopefully this gets changed to ‘Nothing drops from anyone’ in Warzones. Since for world PVP I like the changes.
muhahahaha >:D
I agree that no-drops would be good in warzones.
It should be that everything except your hotbar is dropped, i keep all my arrows and potions in my inv and so do other premiums, but what’s the point of getting a good enchant on a sword only to lose it when accidentally attacking someone D:
if that stays completely the same i’m not going to renew my premium, the benefits are great enough anymore for spending 20ish dollars for 3 months
lawl, so you give up all premium features because of just little things
Well, welcome to how NORMAL players go through.
The fun thing IS to lose your most awesome stuff to then get new awesome stuff you like more, and take back your old awesome stuff. (y)
Welcome to the NORMAL player world. Hope you enjoy it >:)
I dont like this at all, i obviously pay monthly for these awesome Features but this update is just gunna ruin it prob not gunna pay after this last month …
me eather
All i hav to say to this is
LOL
Welcome to normal world, too all the perms
Well i kond of agree, i just bought premium about 1 minute ago, i do dissagree with this update:/
I like the new way. I’m still safe cause I rarely attack others if I think I can be killed, and prefer to run like hell instead. I’m a happy Mech
I think the loss of a major perk should be matched by lowering the price.
You’re giving us less for our money, so ask for less money.
You donate to the server, you are not buying any perks.
I still donate to the server, although I’m moderator.
And I also think this change is very good for balancing the PvP.
Great work.
Yes!
And im sure we will try to add some new cool stuff to premium users as well.
I agree!
Oh here is 1. reason why i wont buy premium anymore second, what that change? how much man voted for that?!, 100% noone from premiums voted for that. to much money for nothing
eh and how ulumulu said” u arenot buying any perks”. But why then we can wear diamond armor and so on?
Ulumulu is saying that you don’t buy perks. You donate to the server becourse you like it and we reward the donators with some extra features
but why those changes i mean we donated they didnt they are not here to change the rules :/
Well, if you had your own server 200 slots, and lets say 180 wanted you to change premium features cause they are unfair to them, would you? if you didnt i tihnk your server woudnt be as popular
We actually only polled premiums, at first glance 60% of the premiums said they would stop donating with the first proposal, then we changed it to this and the number went lower then 10%. The largest majority of polled people seemed to support the new change, and if they didn’t then they should not have lied on the polls since the polls were the breaktrough of this change.
We never asked any non premium for their opinion, but we cannot ignore 90% of the server population over 10% premiums of which only 2 to 3% does not support the change.
These results are ridiculously worded to skew the opinion of the reader. I know it’s too late but I was actually pretty annoyed when I read this for the first time and I have to point some of these misinforming statistics.
In your first section, you state that premiums would “Immediately stop buying premium” and then in the part about “after the changes” you conveniently change your wording to “Would not support” I think that there’s quite a difference between the two.
“2-3% of the premiums do not support the change” I’m sorry, that’s a truly remarkable statistic. Very impressive. Now I’m not the best for math, but to get a statistic like 2% you’d have to interview at least 50 people. 50 premiums, at that. I don’t know where this forum was posted, but there are less than 200 members on the forum. And if 10% of players are premium there isn’t even half the number of players you’d need to come up with this result.
The other conclusion is that you said 2-3% of the 10% so if that’s the case the total dissatisfaction would still be 20-30% But 2-3% just sounds so much nicer, doesn’t it?
Some crafty results here Marty, I just had to call you out.
Marty you are busted
Say as syko this the same as the pizza man taking a piece of the pizza you bought
I like this, just make it so no one drops anything in Warzones. Otherwise PVP may die off. Prems and Non-Prems keep all items on death.
This allows us to gear up and blow off some steam at an arena game. Otherwise I won’t go. I’m not losing my enchanted items in a fun zone.
Interesting idea with the “no one drops in PvP arena. Present that idea to cay.
Ya I like the idea of that, would be more fun if you could kill each other without worrying about losing your stuff.
Yeah thats a great idea johnny
I agree so much
So we can only lose stuff if we are defeated within 30 seconds? I’m not quite sure about this update :/
I don’t really know what all the non-prems are on about. Every time someone goes to raid them or attack them they run into houses and put there stuff in chests and then run around wearing nothing, same for EVERY PvP hot-spot.
Above somewhere is a comment about lowering the Premium price I think it should be lowered to 5 Euro then because the main reason why anyone bought premium was so that they could keep items when killed (I know I did) and now that’s being taken away from us -.-
-From a quite ticked off CRACKPOTATOE
Just a quick comment. The reason every single no-premium runs to there houses when a premium comes. What might that be? Becourse there is just nothing to win fighting him, you can only, and i mean ONLY loose on attacking a premium.
So, is it chocking then that they chooise to attack you unarmed with nothing on them?
Your first statement isn’t exactly true Igel
, I’ve been killed by non-prems loads of times.
As for the second point (this only constitutes me) if someone honourably fought me with armour and weapons there is a chance (with some friendly conversation) that I may return the items if I am victorious, since I am a nice person :3
For others however I guess it’s just something that Regular Players will have to deal with. Choose to stay Non-Prem and whine (like I used to) or simply buy premium, which should be reduced by a Euro or two, otherwise what’s the point of Premium if you can’t ho around killing people? That’s the main draw!
Yes but potatoe, there are some very mean, nasty premiums, thinking they own what ever they want, and i now do agree with this
First of all, DONT say stuff like” Above somewhere is a comment about lowering the Premium price I think it should be lowered to 5 Euro then because the main reason why anyone bought premium was so that they could keep items when killed (I know I did) and now that’s being taken away from us -.- ”
That is WRONG. I did prefer the backpack, workbench and portals even more:)
I like this idea, but whats to stop the premium from just combat logging now? Fix one problem and another one will pop up and thats what I see being the next big topic of discussion. I play on a anarchy server and if you log out while in combat, then you die and lose the items in your hot bar. I also agree with the warzones being “fun” time places to just go mess around, test out a new weapon/armor combo, but no idea how long that would take to code or if its even possible.
I think that you should add some other features to premium because you took such a big one away…. Some examples include (Don’t all have to be used) :
-Double the xp from mobs (and ores in 1.3)
- The ability to keep items in warzones and arenas (but not anywere else as described in this post)
- Cheaper prices for shop plots (-10% to -20% or so)
- maybe a selection of more powerful potions (Like humans can use holy water on vampires)
-Faster teleportation (Half the time so 5 seconds instead of 10)
I hope you find them inspiring or something!
Perhaps let Preims ride horses if you ever add that plugin but not non-preimes…
i like the dubble XP and the shorter TP time so i vote for those 2
Yea double xp and faster Tp are good ideas.
I support that fully
Finally a fair aswell as rewarding change
Will the server tell you when the flag period starts and stops? You know, kind of like readying and lowering you tools.
Yes
I like the idea of ‘no-drops’ in warzones for premiums and non-premiums. This would attract more people to the PVP arenas!
As a premium player myself I do believe you should add another benift to make up for a huge benifit removed.
Any new benifit would be fantastic
I’m not going to complain about the change because I understand how being a non-premium fighting a premium may be frustrating.
Suggestions whise (for stuff to add to prems) +horses (a fast way to travel) +Double xp +A silver bonus everytime you re-donate for another month!
That’s all from me but I think the massivecraft team are doing a great job awesome server guys!!
Awesome ideas
Awesome ideas i like it!!
i like this idea
Im glad about this update. When i was a prem, alot of of non-prems were to scared to fight me which makes pvp boring for me
You know what? I give up. Every time massivecraft cuts back ANYTHING it always ends up in hundreds of comments talking about how it will be the end of the server.
I remember the ol’ tpa, when it was removed there were 120+ comments saying things like “Trade will collapse” and “Factions will never get visitors”
These comments seemed perfectly legitamate to me at the time, and they still do, but looking at the server now; the removal of tpa seems to have had little or no negative effect on massivecraft.
I’ve protested more or less every change that the massivecraft team has ever presented, but it’s always worked out in the past, I’m just gonna trust the Massivecraft team on this one.
Ps. (As zen as that all sounds, it would still be nice if we could keep our hotbar :p)
The reason trade didn’t collapse is people just used waypoints or spawn. If they removed teleporation entirely, it would have.
Good. Premiums shouldn’t be given advantages in combat. Allow free players to have diamond armor. Instead, give prems more non-combat features, like the stuff marius said except for more powerful potions. Massivecraft is a free server and donating gives you some extras, it shouldn’t give players an advantage in PvP. Pay2win is never good. Not losing items on death kills the survival aspect of the game, and raiding and killing prems isn’t rewarding.
Good update, make prems lose armor too.
just no
I have not readed all comments cause just went from holiday.
But look this way premiums is players and the other is just luckt people who is allowed to play on a good minecraft server. I have some ideas to new prem features
Higher to time for talk in global for others
Allways break blocks 10% faster
Other get cutted skill of in level 900
Prem do not drop hotbar
Only prem areas
Prem can shout once every 10 second (500 blocks range) as a channel ingame
As a paying customer i believe this to be too much of a change, i think had you made the hotbar undropable it would have not been so bad, only just this evening over 8 prems have decided not to pay anymore cause its a bit much. It gives too much of an addvantage. non prems will not understand as they have not experienced the safety we felt. this will effectively dull pvp for a while and at worst will loose the server money. if the hotbar was made safe it would mean we still drop our loot from pvp and the non prems would still feel a little less threatened as they can still gain some quality loot.
Im sure that the admins would not do the hotbar thing, but I think not dropping like the 3 slots on the left side of the hotbar would be a bit better.
i have got a great idea. This change to premuin is not amazing but is fair, its not going to stop me from donating to one of the best servers on minecraft.
anyway Welldone massivecraft you keep on impressing me
consider this as a new feature. prems can mode into 3 animals(chickens or pigs, cows) for disguise ! itll be fun you could spy on your enemies
When a prem protests this, it is almost saying that they pay the server for prem, they are not donating in their mind.
It is considered donating but sadly, the majority of prems “donate” just for the ingame advantage, not because they just like the server :/
I got a subscription but i put in the wrong user. My user is katiebug56 and i put 10 because i thought it was asking who much we wanted to donate. Now $18.00 is down the drain Please give it me. i have proof for the 3 months i bought it for please please please….